In today’s times when the average person is often bombarded by images and news of “bad” hospitals “detaining” patients who cannot pay for hospital bills and “evil” doctors who are money-hungry or out to “kill” patients, people have begun developing a general mistrust of doctors.  It is as if every doctor they’d encounter will give them haphazardly done medical service and then squeeze out all the money from their pockets.  And this growing mistrust of doctors is hindering our efforts to improve our country’s provision of health care.

I never thought that I’d be seeing such overly-suspicious and stubborn patients until one 24-hour duty in a hospital emergency room, I encountered one.  Well, actually, she’s the patient’s “mother”.  Being in the Philippines, we have come to “accept” the fact that Filipinos have developed the bad habit of going to the emergency room seeking outpatient clinic services (follow-up consult after treatment of urinary tract infections, requesting lab referrals for pre-employment physical exams because they don’t have the “time” during the weekdays, which is rather unbelievable because it’s a pre-employment medical exam and it means they’re jobless so they have all the time available, etcetera).

In this case, the overly-suspicious and stubborn person (which I will call “Mara”) brought her 4-year old “son” because of some coughing, cold, and a low-grade fever.  After some tests, it turned out that the kid has only a mild respiratory tract infection.  I prescribed a 7-day course of Amoxicillin 250 mg/5mL syrup 5 mL every 8 hours and a paracetamol for fever.  Mara argued that the dose I prescribed was not enough.  I asked her why she thought so.

Here’s how our conversation went (translation is italicized and enclosed in parenthesis):

Mara:  Sigurado ba talaga kayo diyan sa nireseta ninyo?  Hindi ba under-dose ‘yan?  Dati kasi 7.5 mL ‘yung pinainom ko sa kanya.  Di ba dapat ganun din ang ibigay ngayon? (Are you sure about your prescription?  Isn’t it an under-dose?  I used to give him 7.5 mL.  Isn’t it that is what should be given now?)

Me:  Amoxicillin din ba ‘yung gamot na ginamit dati?  250 mg/5mL din ba ‘yung formulation? (Was the drug used Amoxicillin?  The formulation was 250 mg/5mL?)

Mara:  Amoxicillin din ‘yung dati.  Sigurado ako.  (It was Amoxicillin.  I’m sure of it.) 

Me:  Based kasi sa weight ng anak ninyo ngayon na 19.5 kg, dapat 5 mL lang ang ibigay.  7.5 mL is more than what is usually given.  Baka nag-lose siya ng weight?  Actually, mabigat pa din siya ngayon for his age.  (Based on your son’s present weight, which is 19.5 kg, only 5 mL of Amoxicillin should be given.  7.5 mL is more than what is usually given.  Maybe he lost weight?  Actually, he’s still heavy for his age.)

Mara:  Hindi naman siya pumayat.  Ganyan pa din naman siya katulad ng dati.  (He did not lose weight.  He’s still the same.)

Me:  What was his weight?

Mara:  Hindi ko matandaan.  (I don’t remember.)

Me:  Well, nakita ninyo naman na tinimbang siya ngayon. 19.5 kg siya.  And eto, ipapakita ko sa inyo ‘yung computation na ginagamit namin para i-compute ang gamot na ibinibigay.  (Well, you saw that your son was weighed and it is 19.5 kg.  And here, I’ll show you how we compute the medications that we prescribe.)

(Author shows Mara the formulary and computes the dose of amoxicillin using a calculator in front of her.  Author shows her the final computation, as outlined on paper).

Me:  See?  5 mL lang.  Ang dosage kasi ng amoxicillin for mild infections is 20-40 mg/kg of body weight/day lang.  ‘Yung sa anak ninyo nasa 38 mg/kg of body weight/day.  So tama lang ang dose.  ‘Yung sinasabi ninyong 7.5 mL, dose na para sa isang bata na may 28 kg na timbang.  Or kaya para lang sa may mga severe infections, tulad ng ear infections.   Baka may ear infection siya noon kaya 7.5 mL ang ibinigay?   (See?  Only 5 mL.  The dosage for amoxicillin for mild infections is 20-40 mg/kg of body weight/day only.  Your son’s dosage is in 38 mg/kg of body weight/day.  So the dose is correct.  The 7.5 mL dose is applicable for a kid weighing 28 kg or for those kids with severe infections, like ear infections.  Maybe he had ear infection at the time that’s why 7.5 mL was given?)

Mara:  Hindi ko matandaan.  At saka wala naman akong alam sa pagcompute compute na ‘yan.  Basta alam ko 7.5 mL ang kailangan.  ‘Yun ang sabi ng doktor.  (I don’t remember.  And I don’t know anything about computations like that.  What I know is that 7.5 mL is needed.  That’s what the doctor said.)

(Author’s thoughts at this time:  Well, she already knows that she’s not knowledgeable about computing dosage of drugs.  Then why does she keep disputing my computation?  And what’s so difficult to understand about the computation I showed her?  It’s only multiplication and division!)

Me:  Well, kung ayaw ninyo maniwala, then don’t take the prescription and magpa-second opinion kayo sa ibang doctor.  (Well, if you don’t want to believe me, then don’t take the prescription and seek a second opinion from another doctor).

Mara:  Eh 7.5 mL nga ho kasi ang kailangan.  Sigurado ako!  (But 7.5 mL is what is needed.  I’m sure of it!) 

Me:  Kung sigurado po pala kayo, then bakit pa kayo nagpunta dito?  If you are asking me na isulat diyan sa prescription ko na 7.5 mL ang ibibigay, well, hindi ko gagawin.  5 mL lang ang tingin ko na kailangan.  Ipinakita ko na sa inyo kung paano ko na-compute ang dose pero ayaw ninyo pa din maniwala.  If you are not convinced, then you are welcome not to pay my professional services and just pay for the hospital fee of using the emergency room.  Pero hindi ninyo puede kunin ‘yung prescription.  What I can only say is that if you do not trust the doctor, then why still seek her services? (If you think you are so sure, then why come here?  If you are asking me to write 7.5 mL in my prescription, well, I won’t do it.  I think only 5 mL is needed.  I already showed you how I arrived at the final dose, but still you refuse to be convinced.  If you are not convinced, then you are welcome not to pay my professional services and just pay for the hospital fee of using the emergency room.  But you may not take the prescription I wrote.  What I can only say is that if you do not trust the doctor, then why still seek her services?)

Sige, papirma na lang po dito sa emergency room form ng bata… print down your full name, write your relationship to the child and then sign above your printed name. (Okay, just sign here in the child’s emergency room form…print down your full name, write your relationship to the child, and then sign above your printed name.)

Mara:  Saan ho?  (Where?)

(Author pointed to the space where she has to sign.  Mara printed her full name but hesitated to write “mother” after her name.)

Me:  Di ba ho kayo ang nanay? (Aren’t you the mother?)

Mara only mumbled.

Me:  Isulat ninyo po kung ano po ang relasyon ninyo sa bata, kasunod nung pangalan ninyo. (Write down your relationship to your child right next to your name.)

Mara only scribbled something unreadable next to her name and then signed the form.  She put her bundle of one hundred peso bills tied with a rubber band on the table in front of me and dropped two one-hundred peso bills on the table.

Me:  Ano po ‘tong nakasulat?  Hindi mabasa eh.  You don’t pay here.  You pay at the cashier.  (What’s this written here?  It’s unreadable.  You don’t pay here.  You pay at the cashier.)

Mara did not answer but only stamped out of the ER, her son in tow.   All the emergency room staff sighed relief.

I find it insulting that patients will still dispute the credibility of my prescription even after I explained to them how my prescription is correct.  It’s like showing a buyer that the product he’s buying isn’t expired by pointing to the expiration date clearly stamped on a sealed product and yet the buyer still refuse to believe that the product isn’t expired.  It’s not being responsible or aware of health management anymore.  It’s already over the top.  It’s an obvious insult to my credibility as a doctor.

I can deal with patients with some mistrust on doctors.  Be rational and reasonable with these people by showing that you’re doing everything you can and they’ll cooperate.  But I just can’t stand someone who refuse to use his/her brains.  I’ve exerted effort to make her understand in the level that she should but why can’t she do the same?  That’s even the least that could be expected of her, since it concerned her “child”.  I’ve already explained to her what she needed to know to understand that my computation is correct and in terms that I know she should understand (I mean, at her age, she could at least know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, right?).

She’s not exactly illiterate, since she can understand what was written in the form she signed and she can write her name clearly.  What I don’t understand up to now is why couldn’t she just write her relationship to the child.  She could just have written “Bantay” or “Katiwala” or “Kapitbahay” if she isn’t the mother.   Why can’t she disclose that information?

Those are questions that were left unanswered.

Sometimes, these are the kind of patients that zap my energy in the emergency room, more than the real life-threatening cases.  It drains me physically, mentally, and psychologically.  And for what reason?  Just because they are stubborn and they refuse to see reason.

I would have understood if it were a senile elderly or a young child.  But a middle-class, middle-aged woman?  With glittering jewelries all over her body and a tied up bundle of one-hundred peso bills?  Come on.

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17 Responses to “When Discriminating Patients Become Insulting”
  1. PinoyBlogoSphere.Com | Pinoy Bloggers Society (PBS) » Blog Archive » When Discriminating Patients Become Insulting Says:

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  2. andianka Says:

    malay natin, yumaman lang yun pero di nakapagtapos. baka galing sa bundok. honestly, i’ve met really slow middle age women, and believe me, not because they seem to have the money doens’t mean they’re smart as well. besides, pretending to be dumb is a good enough excuse not to pay? haha! relax lang doc. minsan talaga may mga taong ganyan.

    natatawa lang ako dahil i was actually expecting some sort of “and then to my surprise, she wrote yaya on her relation to the kid.” wahehehe…

    breathe doc…

    relax!

    (isa pang rason, baka di inaakala nyang kasalanan nyang binigyan nya ng ibang dosage yung anak nya before, which is stupid just the same since it was prescribed. why can’t they just take the prescription and leave. if not sila na lang magdoctor.hahahahaha!)

  3. jhay Says:

    May mga ganyan talaga. Nakakainis, pero cool lang. hehehe

    Experience ko naman, kasama ang buong angkan sa pagbabantay sa opsital. Tapos reklamo ng reklamo kesyo maliit daw yung kwarto ng nanay nila, mainit daw, bakit daw may kasama sa kwarto na ibang pasyente atbp.

    Tinanong ko na lang, may pangbayad po ba kayo sa private room?

    Tapos ang usapan. hahahaha

  4. SexyMom Says:

    raising 7 children over 26 years–you can imagine my experience with regard to ERs. i admit that in between, for lack of time during the day, i have brought the kids to ER when they were sick. of course, i always had the sense to understand that the life-threatening patients had to be given priority.

    over time, i have begun to observe that a large percentage of ER patients are not emergency cases at all–it has to be high time perhaps for the medical industry to educate people about WHAT ERs ARE FOR, and give advice on how to deal with non-life threatening situations.

    on the other hand, not that i am discriminating hospitals–they also want these non-life threatening patients to come to them, they spell MONEY, don’t they?

    people have different attitudes, different paradigms, so people, the likes of Mara, cannot be avoided, and will always be encountered in almost any situation.

  5. Gean Says:

    Naku naman, bat kaya may mga taong ganyan. Hai.
    Pagtawanan mo nalang po. Hehe. Nakakatawa kasi e.

  6. Prudence Says:

    to andianka: But in this case, I don’t believe she’s that illiterate. She can read the emergency room form! She can read that I’ve written Amoxicillin 250 mg/5mL on the prescription and disputed its correctness! I think she’s just stubborn woman who refuse that her mistakes be corrected.
    No problem with maintaining cool. We, doctors, have been trained to the most patient with those kind of people. But it doesn’t mean that those people aren’t wrong.

  7. Prudence Says:

    to jhay: I had those kind of patient’s relatives, too. Some would even say that we’re discriminating against them because they are poor. But, hello, hindi naman po ako may-ari ng ospital. And even if ako ‘yung may-ari ng ospital, kung ano lang ‘yung kaya nila bayaran, dun lang sila. Hindi naman charitable institution ang ospital. It’s a big, risky business. Hindi lang maintindihan ng madaming tao na hindi puedeng puro bigay lang bigay ang ospital. If they have financial constraints, go to a government hospital. Ang hirap lang sa mga government hospitals natin, kulang sa funds kaya hindi na ma-maintain.

  8. bluepanjeet Says:

    7.5 ml on a four year old? acceptable doc kung nasa wight but she’s obviously less than that. Baka mabingi pa anak nya sa overdosage. This is what i hate in Philippine Hospitals. They treat us (MD’s and RNs)as if we are what our colleagues have done to them. di naman lahat eh nagkakamali. there are still many of us who use our common sense and our textbooks. Akala ng iba patients (hindi naman lahat) sila dehado, but in all honesty tayo ang kawawa. Konting reklamo, everything is on the broadshet or TV the nextday. I don’t blame some of us going to other countries not for the money alone, but for the experience of fulfillment in our own careers na malayong makuha talaga natin dito.. ewan ba.

  9. Prudence Says:

    to sexymom: But that’s why outpatient clinic services are offered in hospitals. They are for non-life threatening cases. People just don’t have the discipline to observe proper rules. Some would come to the ER, non-emergency, and then claim that they should be seen first because they came in first. They just fail to realize that other lives are in danger that’s why we attend to them first. During one CPR we did, someone even had the gall to pull back the curtains and then ask why it’s taking us so long and that we should see her patient right then and there because they’re the ones who came in first. See? Just insensitive.

    I will not take it against hospitals that they are so concerned about money. Hospital business is a big, risky business. There are just some people who’d just escape from the hospital to avoid paying the bills. Imagine, a patient acquiring P100,000 hospital bill and then suddenly disappearing. That wouldn’t be that much loss to very big hospitals, but how about the smaller ones? I’ll be honest that this happens frequently in the hospitals where I’ve worked. There was even an incident when the mother of a supposed “detained” patient because they can’t pay the bill went to a TV station and claimed that her son was being “detained”. What actually happened was that she refused to sign a promissory note and claimed that she’ll have a certain amount of money after a certain amount of time. When the time has lapsed and she didn’t have the said amount of money, the hospital asked her to again sign a promissory note. But she’s nowhere to be found, leaving her son to the care of an almost invalid grandmother. That’s the time she went to the TV station and claimed detainment of her son by the hospital. So TV cameras and reporter came and did their segment. What came out, as expected, was that the hospital is to blame, etcetera. Okay, so the kid was released on an agreement that the mother will be paying the hospital P1,000 every month (imagine how long she’ll be paying for the bills when her son accumulated P50,000+ in the hospital). 2 months have passed and she hasn’t paid a single cent to the hospital and refused to attend to a barangay hearing. So, which one is the evildoer? The hospital or the patient’s mother?

  10. Prudence Says:

    to bluepanjeet: Exactly. We’ve been given less than we deserve in this country. Not just monetary-wise, but career-wise. People don’t treat doctors as humans. They expect us to be precise and unfeeling as machines but expect us to treat them humanely. Of course, it is our goal to minimize mistakes and to give the utmost care, but we are humans, too. I’m not trying to justify mistakes we have committed. All I’m asking is that people see that we are human too. The worse thing is that when it comes out on TV, usually ang lumalabas masama ang doktor or ang nurse, masama ang ospital, pera lang ang habol, etcetera. Why label money as evil? Hindi ba lahat naman tayo kailangan ang pera because it is our mode of value exchange. What is important is how we acquire and use that money. ‘Yung iba kasi hindi nakikita ‘yung value ng ginagawa ng mga health care professionals para sa kanila.

  11. joyce ira Says:

    people always tend to want more for less money or so… minsan talagang nakakasama ng loob na despite the efforts you’re doing for them, in the end ikaw pa rin ang masama. i guess tayo na lang ang umunawa kahit minsan nakakapikon na.

  12. Prudence Says:

    to joyce ira: Pero hindi naman tama na ganun ang gagawin palagi di ba? Somehow these kind of people should be educated about what is right and proper.

  13. arelente2 Says:

    according to the details you have about her. Shes just in Aristocracy but less for Nobility.

    She may be just rich by just sheer luck or something. Is she was a very skeptical smart person, then she would just ask: “What does this medicine do for the child?” rather that that…. It looked like a pauper of a mother asking a doctor in Veterans Memorial Hosp.

  14. paolomendoza Says:

    you should have told her to go back to college and take up medicine, and then she can overdose her kid.
    :D

  15. Prudence Says:

    to paolomendoza: How I wish I can do that! Hahaha :lol: I can keep my cool but that doesn’t mean I won’t tell her what I have in mind (or rather, what I have in mind that I can tell her while keeping civil).

  16. Prudence Says:

    to arelente2: I dunno about the patients at Veterans. But she is really stubborn. I have a sneaking suspicion that she really isn’t the mother of the kid. Maybe just an aunt or a neighbor. I mean, why couldn’t she write down her relationship to the child if she can clearly write out her name?

  17. benj Says:

    wahaha. Guilty as charged. :mrgreen:

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